tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-58323492011-07-14T17:26:46.720-04:00For discussion among those who are--if not proponents of--at least not opponents of the proposed shelter in our Brooklyn neighborhood.Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comBlogger311100tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1071857157300839342003-12-19T13:05:00.000-05:002003-12-19T13:06:36.800-05:00

Let's welcome Rose House to the neighborhood! There will be a food drive on Monday, December 22nd at 12 noon at St. Mary's Star of the Sea (467 Court St. near the corner of Luquer). We hope you'll find time during this busy season to show your support.

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1069623439981813622003-11-23T16:37:00.000-05:002003-11-23T16:38:00.500-05:00

Sorry...people keep emailing me! More news: Sad to report that the "Concerned Citizens of Carroll Gardens" (or Carroll Gardens Concerned Citizens—it keeps changing) have set up a new website. Apparently, Danny Contreras thought that continuing to use his "Our Carroll Gardens site" as their base of operations was hurting business. Worse news is that the new site is once again posting Rose House's

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1069623059846597912003-11-23T16:30:00.000-05:002003-11-23T16:31:07.550-05:00

I received some good news. The effort by opponents to obtain a Temporary restraining order against the operation of Rose House was unsuccessful. Judge Lawrence Knipl dismissed their motion at the conclusion of their evidence without even hearing from NYAWC or the City (also opposing the motion). Two CG-SCAMP activists had been ready to offer testimony, but were not disappointed by the results. We

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1066069683392533572003-10-13T14:15:00.000-04:002003-10-13T14:28:31.436-04:00

Howard mentioned this in an e-mail to some of you, but in case anyone missed it: There's a very touching and forceful letter at OurCarrollGardens.com by an Italian-American woman who is appalled by the tactics of her fellow paesani in the neighborhood. It's a little confusing to find the letter at the site (link above), but it's so short, I can post it in its entirety here: Dear Editor, I've

Christopherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07311829012360099022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1065812250776802472003-10-10T14:25:00.000-04:002003-10-10T14:59:52.383-04:00

There's a new article up about Rose House on Women's ENews. Check it out: http://www.womensenews.com/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1557 Also, there was on editorial in the Daily News yesterday (10/9/03) by Albor Ruiz. Both articles seem pretty fair, which is good news for us.

damijanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12000160907964052179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1065575676317017412003-10-07T21:14:00.000-04:002003-10-07T21:14:57.820-04:00

Please come! There will be a Community Board Meeting Wednesday, October 8th at 6:30pm at the church at 7th Avenue and Carroll Street in Park Slope. It would be great if we could get a good turnout--we need to show our elected officials how much we care about this issue.

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1065211343308219882003-10-03T16:02:00.000-04:002003-10-03T16:04:23.576-04:00

We have received questions about whether we will be present at the opponents' rally at the shelter site on Saturday. Though some of us may go to take note of what's said, we will make no concerted effort to attend. Our presence would only help the opponents by creating a greater fuss in a place that should be quiet. Furthermore, their flyer announcing the rally does not use the address (a great

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1065202848222954222003-10-03T13:28:00.000-04:002003-10-03T13:40:47.970-04:00

I noticed that Our Carroll Gardens put up a statement by the AWC, sans any form of editorial commentary.  And in addition to no longer publishing Rose House's address on their flyers, they've removed all references to the specific location from their site as well. While other pages on the site make clear that OCG's position in this matter has not changed, I for one appreciate their showing a

Ashleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02190261681060570606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064947869650895452003-09-30T14:51:00.000-04:002003-09-30T14:51:09.100-04:00

To the list of local elected officials who support leaving the shelter alone (De Blasio, Millman, and Velazquez--see below for their statements) we can now add Borough President Marty Markowitz, who released this statement last night:"While we understand and respect the community's concerns, we are fully supportive of the efforts by Assemblymember Millman and Councilmember de Blasio to allay

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064946678893110682003-09-30T14:22:00.000-04:002003-09-30T14:31:18.583-04:00

I just noticed some (relatively) good news this morning. It seems our neighbors have stopped re-postering the 'stop the shelter' signs on public property. I think they've realized that it's illegal. Also, a few people on Clinton St and 3rd place have blackened or cut out the address number on the signs they have in their windows. These two things seem to make matters a little more civilized.

damijanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12000160907964052179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064774891874514192003-09-28T14:47:00.000-04:002003-09-28T14:48:11.343-04:00

I was very ambivalent about posting this. I’m torn between trying to clear the air/convey the truth and sinking to the level of the close-minded people of my neighborhood by dignifying them with a response. My compromise is to post here in hopes that at least the open-minded among us won’t believe the lies that some of the so-called ‘concerned’ citizens of Carroll Gardens are writing. I’ve

Markhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13137094603544897557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064765710330463882003-09-28T12:13:00.000-04:002003-09-28T12:17:53.256-04:00

Good news from Howard:Congresswoman Nydia Velazquez has issued the following statement concerning the battered women's facility: "I am aware of the proposal to put a battered woman's shelter in Carroll Gardens. The most important thing to realize here is that these women are not criminals--they are women in need, who have suffered a great deal and are looking for a safe place to go. Think of

Christopherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07311829012360099022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064686767301110242003-09-27T14:19:00.000-04:002003-09-27T14:19:27.170-04:00

In her posting on Sept. 21 (first mentioned below), Anvernette Hanna made the case against the proposed domestic violence residence. Ms. Hanna’s posting contained a number of factual errors and misrepresentations that we would like to correct in order to set the record straight. 1. Ms. Hanna repeatedly refers to the “20- to 26-bed emergency domestic violence transient shelter,” making it sound

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064614641074312222003-09-26T18:18:00.000-04:002003-09-26T18:18:25.930-04:00

Hello, all. Here are a couple of links to letters in MS Word format to Assemblywoman Millman and Counselman DeBlasio expressing your support for the shelter and thanking them for theirs.  Please do download, print, send, distribute the files to friends, family, and neighbors. (If left-clicking the links causes problems, try right-clicking and selecting "Save Target As" from the menu.)

Ashleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02190261681060570606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064611844868308382003-09-26T17:30:00.000-04:002003-09-26T17:31:01.763-04:00

A number of “undecided” people at the subway asked us why the agency/shelter seemed like it was trying to slip into the neighborhood unnoticed. We passed the question on to the NYAWC and received this in reply:The NYAWC provides a safe space to families fleeing violence. We take precautions, many of them mandated by state authorities and in partnership with local agencies, so that safety is

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064605506440434822003-09-26T15:45:00.000-04:002003-09-26T15:46:00.970-04:00

From Our Carroll Gardens:My point in this article is; why are these people [CG_SCAMP] not meeting with us? Why are these people not acting as adults who can sit and discuss a topic? Why the hiding? Why the deception? Why are people posting to the OurCarrollGardens.com website freely from both sides, but they have a hidden website [i.e. this one]?Answers: We have been at your meetings; you do not

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064593920678310602003-09-26T12:32:00.000-04:002003-09-26T12:32:46.230-04:00

This is again from Howard:Last night the Independent Neighborhood Democrats (IND), the Democratic Club for our area, passed a resolution saying the following: “IND asks the Carroll Gardens community to accept and be supportive of the battered women’s shelter; and to work with the elected officials to resolve any concerns; and IND condemns the publication of this facility’s location.” The

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064546119153739842003-09-25T23:13:00.000-04:002003-09-25T23:15:19.176-04:00

For what it's worth, I have some clarification for people who have questions about the legality of the 'stop the shelter' signs that have been put up (very high up) on trees and crosslight signs on Clinton St. I got a little hot headed on the way home just now and took down one of the signs that was on a public cross walk light. I was of course immediately confronted by two people who must have

damijanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12000160907964052179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064545153945061392003-09-25T22:55:00.000-04:002003-09-25T22:59:13.330-04:00

Hi everyone, Emily has just invited me to join this blog to post my experience calling the Councilman today: I took some flyers from you all coming out of the subway at Carroll Street last night. It is a relief to know that not all my neighbors are the type to publicize the street address of a battered women's shelter! and that steps are being taken to counteract the group behind that. Earlier

Careyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475354288206970905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064461663501871192003-09-24T23:47:00.000-04:002003-09-24T23:49:48.970-04:00

Wow. Five of us went out this evening and distributed information before going home because we ran out--500 flyers later. The response was very reassuring and gratifying. If you are new to this site, please bear with us as our group is growing quickly and those of us working on this project do have full-time jobs on the side! If you have ideas for discussion, or questions/concerns that you'd like

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064425133862555432003-09-24T13:38:00.000-04:002003-09-24T15:21:21.603-04:00

Again from Howard: "Thursday night September 25 at 7:00 [corrected from 7:30] at 489 Court Street (between Nelson and Luquer) the local Democratic Club, IND, will be having a meeting. Millman and DeBlasio will probably be there. It is my intent to question them concerning their positions, and to ask the club for a statement of support. It would be helpful if some of you attended as a show of

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064268928295549882003-09-22T17:49:00.000-04:002003-09-22T18:17:07.400-04:00

Given the open letter that Emily pointed out, I think that it would be an excellent idea to have Kyung and rest of the NY Asian Women's Center to write a response. One of us could try to get it posted on the site. I feel that information is the shelter's biggest ally. If the opposers see that most, if not all, of their concerns are for naught or at least being addressed, it will make them feel

damijanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12000160907964052179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064266116140834982003-09-22T17:28:00.000-04:002003-09-22T21:46:11.163-04:00

Everyone please take a moment to read this open letter on the website of our opponents, "ourcarrollgardens.com." I don't suppose I need to point this out to anyone who has been attending the meetings and reading that website, but this is refreshingly articulate and coherent. There are some points that seem silly--such as framing the debate as one between "a functioning middle- and working-class

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064239473625554172003-09-22T10:02:00.000-04:002003-09-22T10:04:33.756-04:00

Last night at about midnight as I was walking home I ran into Danny Contraro (sp? - I think he was the orator of the group on Thursday "I want to talk about reality. Let's talk about what's real. Because isn't what matters here what's real? I want to talk about reality..."). He approached me with a flyer (which had the address AND a PICTURE of the building) and asked if I live in the

Jessicahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05563559582473188046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064088398391525352003-09-20T15:56:00.000-04:002003-09-20T16:07:36.003-04:00

Don't tear down – black out I shared an idea with Emily the other day for combatting the deluge of anti-shelter paper littering our neighborhood. And the more we've thought about it, the more we've realized it's probably the most effective way to honor our opponents' free speech while protecting the shelter and making our point. I think we all agree that the anti-shelter crowd's most damaging and

Christopherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07311829012360099022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064089251644467612003-09-20T15:16:00.000-04:002003-09-20T16:20:51.523-04:00

Many of the people coming to this page won't have been to last Thursday's (9/18) meeting, so I thought I'd share some of my notes so everyone can see what we're dealing with. I apologize for my inability to identify the speakers here--I have terrible eyesight and was sitting way in the back, so even when the speakers did identify themselves I couldn't keep track of who was saying what when. Since

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1064030301129421232003-09-19T23:58:00.000-04:002003-09-19T23:58:39.246-04:00

Here's some info from Howard: "Sunday, Sept. 21 - We will be distributing the letter and flyers at the Atlantic Antic. If you are interested, please meet me at noon at Peter's Waterfront Alehouse (probably outside, and if you do not know me everyone in the bar does). I should have 1250 letters and 1000 flyers. If you can be there at another time, let me know, or just drop by, I will spend most

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1063940375919816652003-09-18T22:54:00.000-04:002003-09-18T22:59:36.143-04:00

So far, so good! I am keen to leaflet the subway station some evening and snare the attention of all those commuters. Not sure whether a weeknight or a weekend would be better. (We'd probably have to do it later on a weekend.) And one thing's for sure--I don't want to do it alone. Anyone interested in joining me? When should we do it?

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1063939915477193992003-09-18T22:44:00.000-04:002003-09-18T22:51:55.773-04:00

I'm sorry I couldn't come tonight, but I'm pleased to see a vocal portion of our community is taking a stand in favor of this shelter. I am frankly boggled that anyone would oppose such a worthy and, it seems to me, innocuous facility. As a lifelong Brooklynite, I am also ashamed to see stalwart residents of this community live down to the worst stereotypes spread about them: provincial,

Christopherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07311829012360099022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1063939316430316142003-09-18T22:39:00.000-04:002003-09-18T22:41:56.063-04:00

Hi there, thanks for the invite. One of the first things we can do to show our feelings is to send a letter to Bill DeBlasio. Howard has a letter he has already prepared that he said he'd distribute. I'll email him to get the file. I'll keep you posted.

damijanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12000160907964052179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5832349.post-1063938088971492092003-09-18T22:21:00.000-04:002003-09-18T22:21:28.986-04:00

Test post.

Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02969673000403055934noreply@blogger.com